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As an American looking at this from a distance (but not too much of a distance as previous US administrations have also used this "rules based order" lingo) I don't see much that's new here. In particular a similar section 2 could have been written about a whole string of EU episodes.

The whole EU project has looked unstable from the beginning and, to its credit or blame but certainly to my astonishment, it has lasted a long time nevertheless. All the while it has made stupid and absurd decisions. The people at most grudgingly listened to. The EU was voted in by famously coercive and sneaky means. Once you say yes you can't change your mind. If you say no we'll schedule another vote until you say yes.

I agree with everything written in Kristian's post.

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As an older resident of both the EU and the US, with no political horse in any race per se, and no sphere of influence either, the following comment is simply my observation as "regular person" . Thus my observation is more anthropological than political:

The EU seemed to be reasonable and united prior to the arrival of the former USSR vountries.

Some of those new members adapted to the former structure, and some brought what I'd describe subjectively as a "dominant" , somewhat rigid approach.

Where dissent had been an enjoyable, intellectual process, almost a pastime, before their arrival, it was replaced by a political correctness seen in the US prior to that, but not in Europe itself.

EU like USA, became more authoritarian, especially re free speech, and less confident/tolerant of one another's differences (instead of enjoying / celebrating them).

EU eventually evolved into a bureaucratic, somewhat legalistic and authoritarian structure leaning towards both a dominant right-wing, intolerant approach, and also a competing left-wing "politically correct" bully. ...Quite like he USA in that respect.

...And it's continued to deteriorate towards those "poles of influence" since the end of the Mitterand/Chirac/Schroder and later Hollande/Merkel eras imho.

Merkel provided stability and openness at home, but also played games with the former USSR countries, as we saw in her comments on the Minsk treaties. (ie admitted to lying about intending to honor the accords as a member of NATO, using them instead as a "break" to allow Ukraine to recuperate and reload ).

- Deliberately lying on such consequential treaties was bound to usher in a general distrust and chaos, and a was a choice to prioritize NATO interests over EU interests imho.

- And now, we bear the consequences of those choices.

- Merkel was not alone btw ....She was simply the most prominant and staightforward of the players in terms of her role in the process.

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